It’s a skill really, something hard to
teach and one that few can pull off with the true flair of the gifted.
The ingredients in this particular pie (for
pie it is after all) have to be carefully sourced. And it is not enough to
simply throw the aforementioned into the cauldron of tournament gaming. No, it
has to be done with the correct mental framework. Mutterings about toil and
trouble, or for that matter, any part of a newt, are entirely optional.
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As has been covered in many places before
(the Bad Dice Daily would be a good place to start, over ---> somewhere)
there is an inherent recipe (to continue the overworked cooking metaphor) to
correct ‘proper’ writing. By and large this involves a mixture of maximising on
your strengths, limiting your weaknesses, and making sure you have the tools to
deal with the things that you would expect to face at an upcoming event. Whilst
it is a recipe, there is an undoubted skill in effective list-writing – it’s
why the star chefs make the big bucks after all. Constructing a list that can
deal with the ‘meta’ but is not overly invested in it is key. Over-baking your
counter-meta is a dangerous gamble, one that I have suffered from on occasion
(at the height of the Ogre menace I designed a VC list that was purely designed
to fight them. Cue a 6 game event where I faced not a single one (or for that
matter, any lists that my counter-Ogre strategies would work on)). Like the
gentle rising of a soufflé (none of that twice baked nonsense) it is a delicate
exercise that rewards balance.
Right, I said I would stop with this silly
cooking nonsense. Not sure what has gotten into me there.
Anyway.
The upcoming circa 100 player event, Bjorn Supremacy 3, is using the
famous/infamous/headache-inducing/broken (delete as appropriate) Swedish comp
system. Regular collaborator, occasional author and all round Warhammer brain
Jake wrote a very educational blog post on things to bear in mind when
designing a list under this comp system. It’s very good and can of course be
found over ---> somewhere.
Jake and I spend literally months (and I
mean literally, not a football pundit version of ‘literally’ – though I hear
dark whispers that the OED has now redefined the term, but I refuse to believe
this, and worry about humanity if it is so) crafting and then fine-tuning a
couple of Lizardmen lists that if not perfect
(after all, is there such a thing?) then something very close to it. Jake ended
up submitting the cooler of the two. I won’t go into that now for two reasons –
firstly it’s an incredibly good list, and this article is not about good lists,
and secondly, this is a closed list event. I’m sure I will write about it post
event.
I was all set to also take one of the lists
– potentially even the same one, but more likely the more traditional one. But
then I didn’t.
Why?
Well, primarily burn-out.
The list submission deadline was not long
after the Tribute event. This was an
incredibly good event (I believe I did a brief recap of it in a previous post,
as ever over ---> somewhere) and has a famously good social aspect to it
too. Alas, though the evenings were good (though the Friday was cut a tad short
by my host and Cardiff-famous ETC Wales Captain Craig getting kicked out for
some very eloquent arguments posed to the door persons at the local Walkabout
drinking establishment) the amount that I could truly relax during the event
itself was very limited by the army I was taking.
Don’t get me wrong – I love Lizardmen. I
think they are the most rewarding army to play with I have ever used. Alas,
when playing a succession of bad matchups and marshalling a cloud of skinks
around you really have to be with it. Other builds obviously work, a Saurus Cav
bus list (plus Tetto’eko of course) recently won the 50 player Warfare event (check out the winner’s
Youtube battle reports for more information – search for “JustmeDaly”), but am not sure they are ‘optimal’.
After that weekend I was utterly drained.
This being the case, and harking back to
the first two and a half years of my tournament participation when I got
utterly fed up of VC, essentially due to over-play, I decided that what I
needed was a relaxing weekend of pushing stuff around and perhaps drinking
slightly more than is all that good for me. Thus I made an utterly insane
decision to go epically off-piste.
The thing with Swedish Comp is that due to
its complexities it is hard to work out what other armies can take with a brief
read through. I knew that Daemons would be powerful, and that I had written
some good High Elf lists under it, but other than that market knowledge, for
want of a better terms, was down to comments on twitter (turns out both
Brettonians and Dwarfs are effectively uncomped under the system, for example).
By and large the only external factor I took into account was vague perceptions
from last year’s event, where apparently the field was pretty wide spread
comp-points wise.
With that in mind I dusted off the Vampire
Counts file in Quartermaster, opened the 6 pages of Vampire Counts-related
Swedish comp and worked on a list that included stuff that I frankly never take
and I consider “cool”. With stern words from Jake that getting a score of 14
for the sake of a 14 was a Bad Thing ringing in my ear, I relaxed further and
threw nonsense at the page.
I ended up with:
Lords
Vlad Von Carstein
(general)
Heroes
Level 1 Necromancer (Lore of
Vampires) – Cursed Book
Wight King, Shield
Wight King, Great Weapon
Wight King, Great Weapon
Core
31 Skeletons, Full Command –
Screaming Banner
28 Skeletons, Full Command
34 Zombies, Standard, Musician
33 Zombies, Standard, Musician
34 Zombies, Standard, Musician
33 Zombies, Standard, Musician
Special
5 Hexwraiths
5 Hexwraiths
5 Hexwraiths
5 Hexwraiths
Rare
Terrorgheist
Vargulf
Vargulf
Vargulf
Ethereal Comp
(-13)
Total Army = 2400ptsComp
Score = 12
In case it was not overly clear why this is
a terrible list (and it really should be) let’s have a quick rundown of the
highlights – there are plenty more I haven’t covered.
A list needs to either be able to fight, avoid fighting, or bog down the
opponent from here to till the end of eternity.
This list categorically cannot do that. The
real combat punch in a Vampire Counts army normally comes from the Lord. As
undoubtedly ‘cool’ as Vlad Von Carstein is, he is not a great fighter in the
great scheme of things. Vargulfs are cool, but can only really beat up on low
toughness infantry – and who sees any of that these days? As for avoiding
combat… not so much.
A list needs to be able to cause damage at range to force the opponent
to react to you.
This list, yet again, fails in this
department. A short ranged scream (in the unlikely event that the Terrorgheist
does not die before the singing starts) is not enough as you have to be amongst
your opponents to scream anyway. In a traditional Vampire Counts list this is
the job of the ever-so-loved Death Magic. Alas none of that here. Hexwraiths technically
don’t have to engage to get points, but 5 is not enough to decimate units, and
you have to expose them to make them work.
A list needs to be able to push the game to get the big wins/reverse an
early loss.
You guessed it – this list can’t do that
either. It lacks a hammer of any real potency and there isn’t an army I can
think of that would not be able to kill these units in combat. Against a fictional
weak gunline, perhaps, otherwise… not so much
A list needs to not lose too many easy points.
Ah. Yeah. This list is the Cash-and-Carry
of “easy points”. 5 strong Hexwraith units are asking for death against any
magic missile casting, magic weapon wielding, daemon-totting every man out
there. Oh, and they don’t like simple ranked units either. The rare selection
is all vintage cannon/magic missile or combat bait too.
A list needs to take into account the meta.
This, dear friends, is where is all goes
wrong (in case you somehow thought the above points were not good enough to
begin with). I mentioned previously we knew Daemons were going to be strong at
this event. Turns out everyone else worked this out too. There is a Dropbox
folder than some of us are using to share closed lists (what people come up
with under Swedish is always interesting). Of the lists I have seen, circa 25%
are Daemons of Chaos. Rumours abound that that percentage is roughly consistent
in the lists we have not seen. And they are, by and large, all getting away
with stupendously light comp scores. Failing to even consider the meta and its
ever-present Daemonic threat (they truly are the scourge of Warhammer these
days, far, far worse than Ogres of Warriors before them). Having an army that
can’t fight daemons, and can easily be killed by them, is a Bad Thing.
Apparently.
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Why, then, take this stupid list?
Sure, everyone can make mistakes and miscalculate whether a list is going to be good or not, but to take a list that is simply on paper not good is silly. This is a grown up event – Hristo’s Dwarf
list will make grown men cry, and there is plenty
of filth to go round for everybody.
Well…. I wanted to take stuff I never take. So there. This is normally THE sign a list is bad. Would I rather it was at a low-key local event than one on the other side of
the country? Sure, but I live in London, so that was never going to happen.
Vlad. I mean come on! Its blooming Vlad himself! Alas, points prevented me
from bringing his wife along. The granddaddy of all the vampires. Sure he
doesn’t fight all that well, or for
that matter cast all that well either, but he is cool. And coming back to life
is, it has to be admitted, a neat trick. Oh, and he costs far fewer comp points
than any vampire I would actually take.
Cursed Book. I absolutely love this item. A ‘free’ spell is a great way to
hopefully clear up some dispel dice in the absence of offensive magic to force
people to do so. It’s even better when you factor in that 3/6 spells it casts
are remains in play. Why do I rarely take it? Simply the classic 8th
ed curse of limited arcane slots. This seemed as good a time as any. Wonder if
you can buy a die that always rolls a 5….
Hexwraiths. These where an impulse buy when I noticed that the third unit did not
incur any additional penalties… Like any flashing “sale” sign the bargain is
less good than one would thing… Sure, against the right armies, decent. Against
the wrong ones… well, its nice to give your opponent a 450 point gift every now
and then.
Vargulfs. Well, the swedes would not let me bring double Terrorgheist. I have
never used these enough – S5 is really not all that these days. But they can
march and run around a bit. Like a budget Wayne Rooney really.
Overall – I decided to go for speed. Sure,
some of it if only actually fast when the Lord is around, but still. 3 units
that could conceivably move 28” first turn, 2 that can march 16” every turn and
a flyer (all before any Vanhels-in that occurs) could be fun to push at people.
The fact that they will very much be taken off as soon as any such move occurs
just adds to the fun. And most of all, I won’t be worrying about double flees
and leadership bubbles!
So, in short, this list is actually a noble
sacrifice of competitiveness for the sake of the Lizardmen cause, only thus can
continued Lizard love be guaranteed! (wait……..)
Will do a write up on the event, and see if
I can meet my stretch goal of 2 wins and a draw post event, as well as
potentially a look at some of my favourite lists.
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Until next time
Raf
Great article about list writing Raf, I like it! :) I have some questions about my lizardmen lists, and I hope you can help me. Can I send you a list throught e-mail (and discuss the reamaining stuff there)?
ReplyDeleteOf course - happy to.
DeleteSend me an email to louharbinson@gmail.com anytime.
I have sent an e-mail last week! Did you receive it?
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