Tuesday, 13 October 2015

The Scions of Warhammer 1: The King is Dead

The future is here. Just what the hell is it though?
Awakening from the clichéd post-ETC hobby slumber, I rub my bleary eyes and am confused...
Even Back to the Future doesn't seem to have the answers…


As everyone even remotely connected to the dark and crazy world of tabletop gaming will be aware, the summer of 2015 saw a seismic shift, leading to destruction on levels not normally seen outside of a disaster movie. There have been some parallels in history I’m told, but even I am too young to remember those. I guess it is almost with a sense of privilege that we got to experience first-hand a truly historic and terrifying event.

Sure, like any slowly dying aristocracy, the signs where there for all to see. The Persian rugs were threadbare, the ancient tapestries depicting momentous events were sun bleached and hanging limp. A slight layer of dust clung to the books in a library that remained the envy of the world. Even then, when, upon careful consideration, you could tell that the household staff had been diminished in numbers and that some of the prize silver had been hawked off to keep the lights on, there was an air of quiet dignity to the scene. The end may have been inevitable, another memory ground  under the pitiless wheels of progress and modernisation to be forgotten by an increasingly unenlightened world, but this was true royalty, and it was going to do things properly.

After all, when the end is all there is, the manner of it matters a great deal.


Yes, the behemoth that was Warhammer Fantasy Battles, that eclectic Tolkenian tabletop adventure that accounted for years of people’s lives (and fortunes from their wallets) from a time when most players were not even a thought in their pubescent parents' minds - before household computers were the norm, before there were more mobile phones in this country than people, and *way* before internet rage became a vocation,  through to this very year – it saw the rise and fall of nations.

In the modern day when immediate gratification is a right and patience a largely alien notion something like this should really make people pause and reflect.

The king is not only dead, his kingdom has been torn asunder and the ashes spread to the corners of the world.



WFB had many (seriously, *many*) issues with it. But that was part of the fun in many ways. We all lived through it, and, a lot of people agreed, it kept getting better and better (slowly, like a maturing oak). The imperfect balance of the game was also its own draw (imperfect balance is important in the longevity of  a game). Most of us who have played for more than five years have seen the rise and fall of armies. The stories accompanying these added to the actual DNA of the game. The library of fiction that accompanied the game was rich and varied – from the metal early days with content definitely not aimed at children through to the more modern times with the now standard fantasy tropes.

A large part of it was not only the monopoly of presence – GW after all are the only company of their type, establishing a strong retail presence and priming the pump for the wider tabletop/modelling scene – but the sheer unparalleled scale of it. The sheer number of armies and supporting materials is something no other game has ever come close to matching (even its big sister game largely relies on different flavours of vanilla ice cream). All this meant that collective decades, if not centuries, of time were spent idly pondering one or more of its innumerable aspects by people across the world.


And then it died.


Like the fading glory of empires before it, its demise was inevitable.

The investment (in time and money) to get into the game was simply far too much for the modern world of Candy Crush, cardboard crack and pre-painted star ships. The cost of sustaining over a dozen unique armies was simply too much in a world where the average gamer rarely added to their collection in truly real significant numbers – the price of the laudable continuous backwards compatibility of their product.

The writing was on the wall, and I, for one, will always be thankful that GW chose to see off the world with a big bang, rather than a hard cut to black.

Like the death of any close friend however, the inevitability of it all did not make it any less painful to experience.



As is the nature of society in this day and age, the body was not yet at room temperature before the 24 hour news cycle got round to the “what next” question that had been sitting, all cute and elephant like, in the room for some time.

For many, normally those with limited amount of time in the hobby, the question was (relatively) easily answered. Find a game that was challenging, ideally not *too* expensive to play and with a decent number of players playing it locally = winning. For others the search was on to find something that filled the much wider hole left by the departure of a large part of their lives


 Just as Europe could not stay united following the death of Charlemagne, the eventual fracturing of the tournament scene (at the heart of things for many of us) was inevitable.



So, just what should take its place?

I should note, this is all about me, people will play all sorts of things for their own crazy reasons ;)


There appears to be several serious pretenders to the throne, though it appears unlikely that any one of them will have the power to recreate the true glory of what was lost:


Warhammer: Age of Sigmar

This appears to be the natural successor, coming from the loins of the company with the world’s longest and strongest track record of tabletop games. The lack of rectangles (turns out this is a *major* deal) and the inexplicable lack of an internal points system immediately torn the old scene asunder. Many veterans of WFB have flat out refused to play it, decrying its many flaws became a hobby in itself. Strong sales point for the game seem to be the models, backwards compatibility of armies and a (probably) deceptively complex ruleset with very low entry requirements.


Kings of War

The little game in the corner we all used to laugh at with her braces, silly hair and truly terrible models. Now she’s grown up and is striking in her own sort of way. A *key* thing here, it turns out, is rectangles. The game has never made a secret of its aim to tap into the existing GW fanbase and they moved to reap the whirlwind. Strong sales points were (by all accounts) simple, balanced rules and compatibility with existing GW armies.


Privateer Press (Warmachine/Hordes)

The quintessential (and almost clichéd) standard refuge for those fleeing GW and all it stands for. Exploded into the public consciousness with the advent of Warhammer 8th edition as many players fled to its eager embrace. Strong sales points are (I am told), incredibly clear & tight rules, low cost of entry and made-for-tournament design.



The ‘other’ established skirmish game alternative to Warhammer. The scene has been “there” for a while, though no one outside it has any real idea of the scale. Seemingly a quirky mix of Western, Steam Punk and bizarre nightmare things. The models have certainly improved over the years as well. The strong sales points seems to be mission-specific force selection, solid rules set and cards instead of dice.



The new kid on the block. This is not a tabletop hobby in the same way as the others – this is strictly a ‘game’, with everything coming prepainted and ready to use. Low model count and (by all accounts) tight rules, in addition to a rapidly growing scene would be the big sales point here. But its not. The big sales point is that its STAR WARS! Enough said really.


Star Wars Armada

Seems to be similar to the above, but with fleet based action, rather than space dogfights. Looks cool, though , from casual observations, it seems far less popular.




I honestly know very little about this. Science fiction skirmish game doesn’t really fit in the “fantasy” setting of the above options, but it certainly has exploded in popularity. Seems to have an anime type look.

Dropzone Commander

Similar in look, in many ways, the much loved Epic games of yore. Models have a hit-and-miss aesthetic in a world that seems pretty solidly set up.


Seemingly a historical/fantasy mashup skirmish game with, one hears, very solid rules. Beautiful models.


Magic The Gathering

People love it. I have so far resisted it… It scares me.



Fan-Made options


In the seeming vacuum that followed the death WFB two notable fan-made options quickly laid claim to the hearts of gamers the world over. The driver here, understandably, was the ETC scene.

There is an event to go to in August next year, and people wanted to know what they would be playing – the costs and time associated with that adventure are not inconsiderable.


On the one hand “internet celebrity” Furion went to work with a design brief to tweak 8th edition to eliminate the need for comp.

On the other an assortment of games, who, it is fair to say, largely disliked 8th edition, armed with extensive community feedback, set about more serious root and branch re-writes to create '9th Age'


Following a vote of the teams 9th Age was the winner – winning on the basis of its mission statement one assumes. It is now the game that will be played at the 2016 ETC in Athens.


9th Age

A re-write of WFB. Compatible with all existing armies with constant community input to make sure issues are promptly addressed. Main selling point appears to be that the ETC will be using it next year.





So, these, broadly speaking, seem to be the options.

Where shall I be investing my hard earned money and non-existent free time?

That, as Cumberbatch is paid to say, is the question.


What do *I* look for in a game?


With an almighty twenty seconds of reflection I would probably sum up the key things for me as:



“Fluff” is a terrible term in my opinion (I’ve long ago stopped trying to be humble ;) ), by implication it is classifying this aspect of things as somehow “lesser” than the rest. The thing that got me into WFB in the first place was, after all, the background setting (and its Tolkenian vibes), not any game mechanics you can point to. A rich, easily accessible, background setting that has that impossible to describe ‘hook’ that advertisers and film makers are always looking for is worth a hell of a lot in my eyes.



Once we have a setting, how the game plays is obviously fundamentally important. Does it flow? Does it seem to appropriately recreate what is happening within the rules? Is there scope for pouring endless hours of thought into ‘solving’ list-writing? Does it balance on that knife edge of indepth and fun?



Does the game “look” right? Obviously models are important here. More importantly, in many ways, is how units and the armies themselves look. Is it a cinematic representation of carnage (akin to aspects of 8th edition), or is it all about the minutia of measurements that epitomised the dark sides of 7th? Quite simply, would it be fun to watch two other people play this game?



Nothing good is free. Heck, I live in London, the expectation is that everything is expensive. ‘Cost’ is more than financial though – and no one *wants* to spend a fortune. Is it going to take a vast amount of time to learn enough to play the game? Do games themselves take ages, or can I easily fit one in in an evening?



How is the game sold to me. Is it a hefty tomb spilling with knowledge and possibilities? Or is it but an introduction into some endless micro-transaction iWorld? How hard will it be to get everything I could possibly need to play this game?



‘Fun’ speaks for itself really. It is, to one extent or another, why we do all this. And the things that can contribute to this aspect are in many ways unquantifiable. Like judging any form of art, a lot of it is gut feel.



This is the most important one in many ways. People not ‘in the know’ will assume this is a by-product of an overly competitive mindset (or an insatiable desire for alcohol). That is missing the point. The social aspect of this hobby is why we spend hundreds, if not thousands, of pounds a year travelling around the country (an internationally), to push plastic around. People may be despicable Skaven-pushers, or collect Dwarfs, but away from the table they become friends. There are other scenes of course, but a scene that is as close as possible to the one we have all loved would be fantastic.
Now that was a party!

Away from this, perhaps unattainable, dream a scene of scale and variety (I prefer not every event to be in essence the same – have never understood how the Poles played ETC comp all the time) is the ideal – if the people are not twats that would be great too.

So, with these loose criteria (and any others that occur to me as I go) I am going to take a look at my options and try to work out what the hell I am doing.

It’s going to be an arduous, though hopefully enjoyable, journey of exploration – I’m quite excited really.

Until next time






  1. Play one game of KoW. That will simplify your decision making considerable!

  2. Yeah, after a handful of KoW games you will quickly realise where the future of Wargaming is going.
    Another great read, thanks for that.

  3. As someone who has recently taken a dive into Privateer Press as my replacement hobby, here's my take on how they match up in each of your aspects:

    Fluff - Decent. Overall a good story, perhaps not quite as deep as WHFB, but well developed and interesting. My only issue is that it's quite hard to get all of it, partly because it's a bit spread through faction books (although, same as WHFB in army books), but also because we're in the second edition(?) of the game, MkII, and there seem to be some fluff references to things that I assume were properly detailed in MkI.

    Game. Good. Flows well, relatively climactic (lots of damage and death!), fits well with the fluff. The fluff even covers the possibility of opposing armies being lead by the same character... And the huge variety and much greater balance than WHFB allows literally endless hours of list writing and tinkering.

    Visual. OK. I like the models, although the aesthetic is very different to WHFB. The casts are appalling, but once they're cleaned up and painted the models are lovely. It is reasonably cinematic, although it is a skirmish game not a large, ranked unit game, so different to WHFB in that regard. The main issue I have from a visual perspective is with the terrain. Despite being a skirmish game (usually allowing more numerous and interesting terrain), because of the very clear and detailed terrain rules, quite often terrain is abstracted with flat templates, which certainly detracts from the overall visual impact of the game. Having said that, top table clashes are large events are usually streamed live on the internet, and apparently garner quite a lot of observers, so there might be something there!

    Cost - Decent. Despite the much smaller model count, the cost is pretty comparable to WHFB. e.g. a 2400 point army in WHFB would set you back around £300 through Element Games or similar, and 2 50 point lists (PP tournament standard) would probably be about the same. I would say you would end up with more variety within a faction though. For example I'm not just collecting 2 50 point lists, because of the internal balance etc. In terms of time cost, slightly more complicated! It's very easy to pick up the basics and play some smaller games, but it will take quite a long time to master all aspects and speed up to a competitive level. So I guess it meets that 'holy grail' requirement - easy to pick up, difficult to master. In terms of game length, initially you can play small games fast (1-2 hours). As you play bigger games, you'll slow down, but tournament standard games are very fast - usually less than 2 hours for a 50 point game, and often much less. So quicker than WHFB when mastered!

    ...........Exceeded character limit!

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    Package - Good. Different, but good! The core rules are available for free online (for both warmachine and hordes), or in semi-expensive but good quality paperback books. There are faction books available with the majority of the faction models, and additional fluff, much like WHFB army books. However, that's where similarities end. Rather than updating one army at a time, they release game-wide (separately for hordes and warmachine) update books, that advance the fluff and add ~4 new entries to each faction. New releases in these books are not available in the faction books (obviously), so if you want paper copies, you have to buy the expansion books. However, there are two ways around this (if you can live without the fluff) - firstly, all the models come with their rules in the box, so if you buy the models, you know what they do. Alternatively, if you want to see the rules before buying the models, the PP list building app War Room seems very good. Sure it has a few issues, but overall you can buy all the rules for a faction for £4.48 (or about £3 if you buy all of them in bulk), and the app itself is free. It also allows for damage tracking ingame etc, if you don't want to (or can't for some reason) use the cards. It also gets regular updates with new releases, which are added to your faction for free (obviously) if you've already payed for it.

    Fun - Good. As you say, very subjective, but I'm really enjoying all aspects of it for the time being (apart from cleaning up mould lines, which are attrocious!). It is a steep learning curve, but I'm probably playing more often at the moment than I have for years...

    Scene - Very good (as far as I can tell so far). Seems to be huge, probably comparable to WHFB, and VERY well supported by PP. Obviously it's largely different people, which is a shame, however they seem nice enough so far! Lots of things done through facebook (e.g. trades, organising games, tournaments etc), rather than forums like WHFB, although the PP forums are very active as well. In terms of variety, I think there's some, but it's different to WHFB. Obviously there aren't lots of events running different comp, because comp (genuinely) isn't required. There are set formats, which are easy for TOs to follow, but there is some variety within those in terms of round lengths, list sizes, number of lists etc which can actually make fairly fundamental differences. And of course there's generally a fairly wide variety of lists, due to greater internal balance than WHFB. I haven't played any events yet though, so most of this is from reading around and talking to people...

    Hope that's of interest/use! And hopefully people can provide a similar (subjective of course) run down for the other systems you listed :)

    Ken / RaZeR

  5. Don't write off Age of Sigmar, seriously.

  6. AOS has totally smashed my local group up. They're mostly tournament gamers and the game doesn't work for them. I've nearly finished my AOS army but I feel like I might struggle to get games with it.