So, it’s
been a long time – been busy living the rock and roll lifestyle of expensive
cars, fast women and scandalous boats that writing a blog leads to.
That, or
work and life have been crazy – but that sounds a whole lot less fun.
Hope
everyone had a good Christmas and New Year period, have made the appropriate
resolutions (and ideally broken them again) etc etc blah blah.
To get the
ball rolling on 2014, I thought would be good to have a brief look at the UK
Masters – happening this very weekend. Now, Ben Curry has covered this in some
detail thus far in his various media outlets, but seems rude not to have my own
look at things.
The matchups
for round one have been done (no one knows the scenario yet), last minute painting
is frantically being done (by me at least!) and the newbies are starting to get
nervous about the Chris Legg initiation rituals….
It’s time
for the old country to show those colonial types how things are done!
Matty - Raf
So, Matty is
rocking out his trusty Dwarfs for this. Not surprising – I know several
comments have been made about how Ogres would have been a good option, but he
was always going to bring the Dwarfs.
And
actually, it’s almost a perfect list for out of the book 2000pt Warhammer,
commentary on this has been far too negative. Two units no one wants to fight,
effectively immune to non-initiative based magic, lots of ranged threat,
capable of sitting in the corner and easily picking up 100pts more than the
opponent. It even has a very strong likelihood of getting Foot, which is
something you don’t always see in a Dwarf list, it has to be said. I think this
army will do solidly well – unless the artillery all goes epically wrong of
course. It will struggle to win big in a lot of matchups, but with W/L/D you
really don’t need to. Sure, it’s his first Masters, but think that is an
overrated handicap. (turns out it's not his first - rest is true though!)
I… decided
to bring Lizardmen. This is despite the fact I think they are terrible at
2000pts, especially if everyone brings the armies that really rock at this
points level (namely the Chaos ones) – interestingly not as many people did
that as I expected. On the other hand, most people, unlike me, were clearly
paying attention to the fact that this is W/L/D nonsense; hence the number of
shooting avoidance lists out there. My original list was along the same lines,
Slann, Tetto’eko and the rest of the points in skinks. But no, every time I go
to the Masters I want to have fun, and whilst there is a degree of fun in
rocking out with 1400 points worth of skinks, it’s probably the wrong kind of
fun. Hence this. A list that EPICALLY bleeds points against anyone rocking
warmachine goodness. I also ignored my own advice and left the Death Magic at
home – trying out Wandering Deliberations to provide a bit more of a magical
artillery role for the Slann. Of course, I should have known that as soon as I
dropped Death magic I would be paired up against green-tinted dwarfs.
When not
rocking 25% of my points in dinosaurs and close to another 25% on 2 wound
characters with no look out sir I tend to like this matchup. But then again, I
also normally have Death magic. Being a dwarf player at heart, Matty will
probably sit in the corner shelling me with warmachines and artillery, daring
me to try and get at him. Of course, we have no idea what the scenario is going
to be, but Dwarf armies can gunline it up in most scenarios really. This will
really boil down to how well his warmachines do. If they are on fire I lose, if
not I should have a good chance of pulling this off. In summary, it goes
without saying that this is a terrible matchup and I have absolutely no chance!
J
BREAKING NEWS!!
Jack has
pulled out of the Masters just as I was about to click “post”!
Enter the
Harris.
Cue some
hasty rewrites…
Few people
know this, but Lorenzo is a bad man. People take in his nice relaxed
personality and think “well, he seems nice enough”. They are wrong. He is evil.
You would think this would be obvious given his previous exploits with Ogres,
but maybe it will be acknowledged now that he is rocking the Daemons. I admire
lists that have a very clear aim. I admire them slightly less when the aim is
to see how many Beasts of Nurgle you can fit in a list at 2000pts. I would
almost have forgiven him if he had gone all out Nurgle (ok, who am I kidding, I
wouldn’t have), but he didn’t even have the decency to do that. It’s actually
quite a nice list – shooting, armour-busting magic, Beasts to grind away,
decent chaff. I don’t think it packs enough of a punch though, and there are
high powered, fast moving things out there that could cause this list a hell of
a lot of issues should they be able to avoid the tide of Nurgle puppies wanting
to play. Puppies are obviously awesome (if sometimes lacking in house
training), but I do think that this many points pumped into them leaves the
list exposed if they get pinned down by things that will not die to them.
Well, Tom
has brought the fun to this event. We have discussed this as a possible list
between us for a while – what is there to simply not love about this?! Captain
Canada has is looking to recreate his Throne of Skulls glory, bringing the
single most powerful unit in the game. Will it do well?
Well, I
actually think it is better than people will think on first glance (sure the
super fast avoidance nuisance armies that no one likes won’t care. But there
are other that really will). Sorry to not write more about this list I love,
but Craig is upset (probably because someone other that him dropped out, and
wants me to post this).
Unfortunately
for Tom, he is facing the one list that probably does not care all that much
about his. Not done (and not going to do) the maths on it, but not sure Beasts
care all that much about Trolls. At the very least, expect to see a LOT of combat
out of this (either that, or Tom hides the Prince and takes the draw…).
Leggy – Tom M
Chris is the
most picked on player in Warhammer. It’s sad really. Everyone should give him a
hug and a big wet kiss on the cheek. Poor guy.
This
bullying is what has led him to lash out, tormenting the scene with a sludge of
undiluted net filth.
That has to
be the reason; why else would anyone do this to themselves?!
Oh… he was
forced to play Dwarfs a while back. That’ll make the nicest person odious.
Chris, bring
the free styling Warhammer brain we know he is, has brought the list everyone
expected to see (I honestly thought I would see closer to half the field take
either this or a Throgg version) – WoC at 2k are insanely good, the things they
have to drop from a 2.4k makes little to no difference to the effectiveness of
the list. And it looks like almost everyone has tooled up to beat it. That is,
it has to be said, rather easier said than done. In a win/loss system with VPs
being the tiebreaker, this list is great, though I don’t like the marauders.
They add nothing for me – but then again I guess they are cheap enough that in
some games he can simply not use them. As ever with Warriors the combination of
mobile and durable hand grenade units makes it a complete handful. It’s so good
it’s utterly dull.
The Master
is bringing his/Mikey’s/Sweden’s (opinions on this matter vary wildly) High Elf
list cut down to fit. It is, with all the best will in the world, utterly dull
and yet uncompromisingly effective (a strange parallel with its general come to
think of it ;-) ). A gunline backed up by a book-totting librarian and
banner-wielding White Lions, it does not have to do anything to win games under
this system. Its fundamental power is that I am pretty sure it would be utterly
effective to play whilst completely drunk. That says a lot about a list. Tom is
probably the favourite for the title this year, based on the list (almost all
(this author, and Pash obviously, notwithstanding) of the players there are
extremely good, the lack of weaknesses in the list and answers to almost all
problems is a big deal).
At least,
that’s what I thought at first.
The loss of
the Lvl4 (on Light) and the Frostheart from the 2400pt list is actually
massive. There are things (or even single models) that can take on the White
Lion unit in combat. So this could not work as well as expected. That being
what it is, it is still a good list.
The beauty
in this matchup, of course, is that the only
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Umm, Tom
will probably win it, unless Chris has one of those games he has whenever I
play him and his dice go turbo (I didn’t have any cannons to shoot his Vampire
Lord in the face with, a tactical error, I’ll admit) and the Bolt Throwers
don’t take the Prince down, in which case Chris can probably win by picking up
the points not in the Lion unit.
Andy - Mark
Being all
scientific and stuff, Andy knows that unit on unit combat is for losers, and
that the only things that should fight are either cheap or characters. The
modern man shoots people (though a nice man like Andy doesn’t shoot people all that
much).
This is an
absolutely terrifying list. Getting hold of it will be like catching a lone
sheep in a field (ahem, I am told this is hard to do, I obviously would have no
idea…). With Morathi choosing her lore depending on the matchup, the power
level here only goes up. And Morathi is cool (cool in a “crazy lady who sleeps
with her son” kind of way, but still cool), so there.
If there is
one weakness to the list it is that there a LOT of points invested in magic.
Sure, a lot of that is in the
absolutely-crazy-someone-should-check-out-who-playtested-this-army Warlock
units, but some poor winds of magic rolls could hurt. Other than that, it’s a
small model count army and with the amount of shooting at this event with a bit
of bad luck he could be in big trouble. And Morathi is of course asking for a
cannonball/rock lobber/bolt thrower to the face – but then almost every single
thing that is cool in this game is.
Mark, whose
most recent achievement was getting no less a gaming powerhouse than Tom Loyn a
podium at Downfall by lending him a nicely painted army, is famous the world
over for his ironclad (read: prone to rust and slightly leaky) rules analysis
on the show they put stuff on that Ben has forgotten to mention in the Daily,
and a complete and utter distain for people who are unable to seamlessly blend
their highlighting. Away from the world of internet stardom, he is prone to
bringing Troll and Tomb King shaped filth whenever he can. The shock of being
able to bring an extra 400pts of Tomb Kings to a 2k event was so great that he
clearly blacked out and woke up thinking this is 2011, so Skaven makes sense.
It’s a
Skaven list. It is a truth universally accepted that a Skaven list is the most
underwhelming thing to read in the world. Just… the usual stuff.
Except.
Plague
Monks?
Eh?
I guess they
are good at assaulting small gangs of unarmoured girls? Maybe it’s because they
can start in the Watchtower, are at least toughness 4 and wont panic out,
holding the fort if the old grey rat at the back can’t bring it down. Oh, nope,
they are not even core. More it smells of spare points syndrome. Seer? Check.
All the Rares? Check. Stormvermin? Check. All the usual Engineer equipment?
Check. Giant Rat chaff? Have some points left over, may as well take them, they
can have a banner, are ITP and hit like one of those snowballs with a tad too
much ice in. All that aside, I think Gutter Runners would have been better.
It’s an
effective list. Any list with an Abomination, a WLC, a Doomwheel and a Seer can
ruin someone’s day. Can it deal with the modern game? The evidence of the
tournament scene would suggest not so much – sure, they can bring everything to
2k, but is everything enough?
All that
being said, I am really not sure about his comment he made on the Podcast. He
did not take 2400pts of Tomb Kings because he wanted an army that could win 5
games and draw another… Am really not sure that Skaven was the solution here –
but maybe he will prove me wrong.
Baring the
Warp Lighting Cannon going nuts, or the Abomination having one of those games
we all know it can have, there should be no way Andy doesn’t get the win here.
He does not have to engage, has plenty of units that can shut down the
artillery, shooting, and incredibly offensive magic.
Mikey - Ben J
Mikey has brought
Batman. And therefore he wins.
I have
played close to a dozen games with a terrifyingly similar list at 2400points
(the extra 400 points obviously being spent on Shadow Warriors in case you are
wondering). The only things in this list that does not get to deploy after the
opponent get to move before the game starts (apart from the Bolt Throwers,
Phoenix and lvl4… ok, to be fair, that’s about a third of his points, but let’s
not ruin the narrative with the mundane banality of facts).
People
laugh, but Alith Anar is actually really (ok, quite) good. Sure he doesn’t
smash much up in combat, but shooting people keeps you safe, especially if
shooting them with a bolt thrower. Factor in the nuisance units in the list,
the Bolt Throwers, Death Magic and the Phoenix, and this list could actually do
really well. Sure, there definitely lists here that it does not want to face –
he would have benefited more if people stuck to the script and brought a bunch
of Warrior lists.
Ben “El
Capitan” Johnson has brought a simply great list, which is not getting enough
justice from the casual observer. It’s the issue with this type of list, the
threats are not obvious. And that’s a fair point. Nothing here is as scary as a
Sword of Swiftness and Eternal Blade-wielding Lord of Change (seriously, don’t
get me started on this rules interpretation (again!)). That being said, it has
two cannons, more than enough magic (including potential for combat buffs) and
fast threats… what else does one want? The only thing I am not sold on is the
ambushing hounds. Having used them a bit, I tend to find that the equivalent
points of stuff that’s actually on the board is more effective most of the time
– though it plays havoc with your opponents brain and could work beautifully
against the never ending number of gunline lists at this event. There is little
to say here. If there were more Daemon Princes running around he would have
potentially been in a spot of bother, but one in 15 potential opponents is not
bad odds at all.
As for this
game, well, either could win it (shock!). The daemons are fast enough, and can
pack enough magic missiles (and double cannons to go Phoenix hunting) to give
Mikey a real headache. That being said, if Mikey not only has the tools to deal
with this daemon army at range, but also (assuming it’s alive!) in combat to –
all depending on who can force the engagement on their turn. I’m going to go
ahead and give this one to Ben.
Ben C - Craig
The new streamlined Ben is a happy bunny. This event will
give him an excuse (as if he needed it!) to talk about Dark Elves every weekday
for the next few weeks following the Masters.
Ben’s is an
epic story of a boy who lost his identity with the death of a dear friend (the
good old Mindrazor days) and had to resort to full time talking to make up for the
vacuum this left in his life. Could this
d***head list be his salvation?
We can only
hope.
Except that
it’s a d***head list. And if (as undoubtedly he will) he does well expect
hordes of fanboys to start descending on the scene with MSU nonsense
(completely different to Skink spam, which is a noble and virtuous thing).
I love this
list, though I am finding it impressive just how small these Dark Elf list are.
The one major failing of this list is, of course, that he only has 15 Warlocks.
Weak.
The whole
30” vanguard and move followed by Purple Sun and short ranged death snipes is
frankly horrendous, and simply cannot be overlooked. Factor in a trio of the
stupidly good Dark Elf Masters (the only reason people are not going apoplectic
with rage over these guys is the fact that Doomfire Warlocks exists) and some
bolt throwers to keep anything that could actually fight a Master honest, and
you have a painful list. Add in 18 (presumably flaming) Witch Elves to take
that watchtower and you have something akin to a perfect list in this field
(due primarily to the lack of Death Stars on show).
Don’t tell
him, his ego couldn’t take it, but I think he could win the whole event with
this.
Unless he
gets utterly shot off by the gunlines that make half this event of course, but
that would serve him right.
Craig,
Craig, Craig… The wargaming polymath and spurner of the mainstream. The one who
singlehandedly took my list and went merrily chump bashing in Wales for the
first UK 60+ man tournament win with the new Lizardmen book – something Jack
will never now be able to, however many million rankings points he gets. Or,
The Man Who Epically Let The Side Down, as he will be known from now on.
And he knows
it.
Bad Craig.
Not taking
Lizards I get – they really are bad at 2k. Taking Skaven is sort of (well,
maybe not) excusable. Taking Skaven and not taking his much loved “RatStar” is
an utter disgrace. A Grey Seer?! I had expected more from him.
Putting
aside the eternal shame he will forever have to endure from now on, it’s a good
list.
The rare
section is truly terrifying by itself, with the potentially to go crazy. And it
has all the stuff that you would expect to see, and that stuff is really
powerful. And I like the MSU slaves. Kind of cute, like those pet rats you see
with top hats and canes. As mentioned previously – Skaven lists are hard to get
excited about.
As to the first round… Well, in all honesty, if Ben can
deal with the Doomwheels and Cannons (or is not hurt too badly by them) there
should be absolutely no way he doesn’t win this game. Could be a very boring
game if Ben decides to just keep out of the way and pick up points at range.
Yawn.
Pash - Steve
Pash,
despite his name, is a truly mad skirt wearing lovable Scottish oatcake.
And he likes
Dragons.
We like
Dragons.
Therefore,
we like him.
Sometimes I
like maths, there is a simple beauty to it.
Bottom
kissing out of the way, I was disappointed by the sheer lack of Dragons in this
list. It’s a whole 50% short of what he should have had. No, the one painted on
the White Lion’s banner does not count.
He does get
epic points for the list though – no gunline here! Of course, there is not
actually that much of an army here either, once you take out the Dragon and
Phoenix you have a small unit of lions and… not much else.
If he rides
the luck whirlwind with enough flair and panache he could actually do ok –
there are a lot of armies with limited teeth at this event. More likely,
however, he will get shot. A lot.
Steve, as
well as being charming, handsome and great at Warhammer (yes, he is giving me a
lift to the event) is the only one brave enough to bring an “internet tells me
they are terrible” book.
Consistently
consistent (?) with these lovable French showponies, he is bringing a very
solid list to this event. The issue with Bretts a lot of the time is that after
the charge they are somewhat mediocre. The positive thing is that pretty much
no one is bringing anything that fights all that well. The army also has a
combination of the insanely under costed Trebuchets and Heavens magic to punish
things at range, and the overall speed to put those pansy elves under pressure.
I think a lot of the commentary has underrated Steve’s chances of doing well
here. After all, in keeping with the theme of the event, he too can sit in the
corner and shoot people.
All these
positive things being said… he will probably get cannoned off in half his
games.
Of course…
his approach to dealing with the Watchtower scenario is… interesting J
As for the
first round draw… it sort of depends. If it turns out we are playing Watchtower
Steve may be in an ikle bit of trouble! If not, I actually think it’s Steve’s
to lose (unless he gets fooled by Pash’s girlish charms or skirt). Dragons are not
great against Bretts. Daemons with a 2+ armour save can take a lot of
punishment, and Trebs are somewhat mean. Of course, no one thought there was a
chance in hell of Pash doing so well at the Bjorn event, so who knows what
craziness is going on?
Dan - Terry
They say
geniuses tend to be inherently mad. Now, I don’t know if Dan is actually a
genius, but he has spreadsheets and works out tangents, so I’ll give him the
benefit of the doubt. Thankfully he had somewhat of an epiphany at some point
last year, and parked his tediously effective Empire army in the 1+ armour save
garage and started rocking the Warriors. Yes, I dislike his Empire list that
much that I am ok with him going all Warriors on our ass. Madness takes many
forms. One of those, it appears, is a full on Khorne army. Let by non other
than Khorne’s puppydog, whose inspirational presence rivals that of the
Everchosen himself (or any two-bit unit with a cheap stick from the knock off
magic items factory).
Sure, the
list is terrible. But terrible does work, at times. God looks after mad dogs
and Englishmen, to bastardise some sayings, and Dan is both mad and English –
and we all know two out of three ain’t bad.
He is
unlucky here in that so many people have taken 2000pts as a challenge to create
armies that never fight. That being said, with a decent draw he could do ok. And, above any
other nonsense, I approve of not-having-to-think Warhammer.
Terry hails
from one of those classic adventure novels. Unknown, tagging on to the fringes
of society, uncared for but stoically struggling through, he comes across an
incredible item that gives him unimaginable power and soon his name is known
throughout the land. So, yeah, basically he is a Hobbit. Somewhat annoyingly
for pretty much everyone, this item turned out not to be a magical ring that
leads to a year’s worth of walking to, and back from, a mountain in the middle
of nowhere (getting a lift with an Eagle would have been too easy, clearly),
but actually a Daemon army.
He has
maintained his usual core basis of the army, mass horrors and a Lord of change
– the horrors pouring magical damage onto the opponent, forcing them to commit
before the Jedi Lord of Change and (normally) Beasts and Flies ruin their days.
For 2000 points it looks like he has had to drop two magic levels form the LoC
and the big unit of Beasts he normally takes – and he clearly couldn’t resist
the urge to bow down to the no comp gods and double down on Skullcannons. The
loss in magic levels from the Lord of Change is not a big deal – sure he is
slightly worse at dispelling, but he will still be able to roll Gateway on a
Horror unit, so he will be happy enough. The solid barrier that the Beasts
provide, screening the more vulnerable aspects of his list is a bigger loss,
however.
In theory
this should be straight forward. Terry magics and shoots Dan as he runs in for
a couple of turns. Then, when Dan gets too close, he charges one element of the
Warrior army with the Lord of Change, redirecting the others. Depending on how
far away from each other they start, this could be more than enough to take the
win. That, or the Lord of Change just flies behind thus plucky warrior army and
charges units in the rear when he feels like it. That being said, it is always
easy to say “chaff it up, shoot it off”. If the army does make it in, Terry is
in incredible amounts of trouble. And Dan has Scyla. So there.
Someone
should warn Terry though – Dan knows Kung Fu.
And don’t
slow play him at the Masters.
Just don’t.
Overall predictions
Damn, was
hoping would not have to do those.
1. Ben C (I know, no one
wants to see this happen! – but 100pts for the win and his list is just bad
news)
2. Tom M (probably the favourite going
in, but think may just miss out)
3. Jack (incredibly dull
effective list for this situation – may struggle in Watchtower (depending on
who he faces)) Ben J (very good list
in the hands of a top player)
4. Andy (similar to Ben’s list, and
will do well, could finish higher than this)
5. Leggy (good record vs
the field, and the army of 2013, but think too many people geared to take it
down)
6. Tom H (he’s going to
smash some people, just you see)
7. Terry (the patented DoC list does
what it does)
8. Lorenzo (another good list, but
perhaps lacking a little bite)
9. Steve (Bretts are
very good at keeping their points, and can smash through several of the armies
here, but may come unstuck vs the top)
10. Dan (Will smash at least two players
at this event)
11. Craig (Skaven have
some great tricks… but not sure they cut it as they used to. Should have
brought the RatStar)
12. Mikey (All the games
should be close – he could actually end up doing well. But probably not)
13. Mark (as with Craig really, should
have brought Tomb Kings.)
14. Matty (Dwarf shooting only goes so
far)
15. Me (too many shooty armies out there,
and the ones that don’t shoot fight…)
16. Pash (he’s Scottish)
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fun one, and we shall see who will be crowned, America’s Next Top Model The
Master!
Until next
time
Raf
Plague monks can't start in watchtower, it's core units only if memory serves. I have no idea why they're in marks army other than as a unit that won't flee (until beaten in combat which will be by virtually anything barring Tom's WL unit).
ReplyDeleteMy prediction of placings:
Craig
Leggy
Tom M
Ben C
Ben J
Andy
Pash
Tom H
Raf
Lorenzo
Matty
Steve
Mikey
Terry
Mark
Dan
Thanks for the votes of confidence guys, but I'm going to finish 9th.
ReplyDeletenice blog - It's Ben C's to lose i reckon
ReplyDeletePlague Monks are there for (relative) protection against Treason+Hellcannon combo (which no one brought to this event),because they are ITP.
ReplyDeleteWhat are the final standings anyway?